[politics] Obama's "political theater" and the sueing

Jdrew · Unread post by **Jdrew** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:58 pm

Sorry I can't embed the video here. Basically Obama used an executive order to make his obamacare happen:

Boehner wrote:
"In 2013, the president changed the health care law without a vote of Congress, effectively creating his own law by literally waiving the employer mandate and the penalties for failing to comply with it. That's not the way our system of government was designed to work,"(vox.com)

Because that is borderline illegal the house of representatives is trying to sue Obama, the above site also explains the process. Although the lawsuit will most likely fail this is still a topic I wanted to talk about. So you can look on the surface and see that Obama is using more power then usual to make things happen. Now you can go debate about the legality of that and stop reading. Or, you could use geass and examine how Obama is responding to this situation which to me is where it gets interesting.

Obama has done at least two videos(links below) explaining in his way why he is being sued. He makes it seem like he is "for the people" and that congress is not working with him. Whether that is the case doesn't actually matter. He is also acting unprofessional and comedic in the CNN video making him seem like a real peoples person. He is truly gaining the support of the middle class people. At this rate if he is impeached then the people might revolt and get him back into office. So I tip my hat to you Mr.President. Anyway what is your thoughts on the matter? I would also like to hear what people outside of the USA think of this.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/30/politics/ ... ?hpt=po_c1
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ue_me.html

Mr.Torch · Unread post by **Mr.Torch** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:55 am

No anti-congress-get-obama-back-in-revolt-riot-thing will happen. People are complacent and lazy. That's why they make posts on the internet talking about issues instead of resolving them. Also, I don't know any people that are actually middle class that like Obama. Could be just where I live, but only people that live off welfare seem to like him around here...

Pedroh · Unread post by **Pedroh** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:06 am

i like him cus hes black

Vezok · Unread post by **Vezok** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:39 am

Mr.Torch wrote:
No anti-congress-get-obama-back-in-revolt-riot-thing will happen. People are complacent and lazy. That's why they make posts on the internet talking about issues instead of resolving them. Also, I don't know any people that are actually middle class that like Obama. Could be just where I live, but only people that live off welfare seem to like him around here...

It's probably where you live.

Also, how dare he try to make America more like the country with the highest standard of living.

Mr.Torch · Unread post by **Mr.Torch** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:34 pm

Vezok wrote:
Mr.Torch wrote:
No anti-congress-get-obama-back-in-revolt-riot-thing will happen. People are complacent and lazy. That's why they make posts on the internet talking about issues instead of resolving them. Also, I don't know any people that are actually middle class that like Obama. Could be just where I live, but only people that live off welfare seem to like him around here...
It's probably where you live.

Also, how dare he try to make America more like the country with the highest standard of living.

Personally, I'd rather live in Russia. People I've met from there say they have more freedoms lol.

ReubenMcHawk · Unread post by **ReubenMcHawk** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:43 pm

Let's be real here, most of these people hate Obama because he's black.

Mr.Torch · Unread post by **Mr.Torch** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:10 pm

ReubenMcHawk wrote:
Let's be real here, most of these people hate Obama because he's black.

That's why people didn't like Bush, because he was white.

Marksmanship · Unread post by **Marksmanship** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:44 pm

This lawsuit is just yet another measure in a long string of various attempts to stop federal and especially federal executive power from growing in the US. Given that even an all-out war failed to stop the US federal government from consolidating more power, I doubt it will accomplish much. Contrast this with the EU, which acts as a weak "federal" power over a collection of mostly-sovereign states, much as the US was under the pre-constitutional Articles of Confederation.

Even if the suit does succeed, the verdict won't be delivered until long after Obama's term has run out. By that point its only value will be as a precedent, albeit a potentially useful one.

Jdrew · Unread post by **Jdrew** » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:14 pm

xCross wrote:
I've been wondering for a while, but can you sue the president and win?

Why don't you read the sources and find out?

Marksmanship · Unread post by **Marksmanship** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:51 am

xCross wrote:
Jdrew wrote:
xCross wrote:
I've been wondering for a while, but can you sue the president and win?
Why don't you read the sources and find out?
Lazyness

To answer the question, yes, you can. Nobody in the US is above the law, as most of our founding fathers' legal traditions came from England and the Magna Carta.

Vezok · Unread post by **Vezok** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:48 pm

xCross wrote:
I've been wondering for a while, but can you sue the president and win?

Yes, although to do so successfully you have to have this thing called a "legitimate reason."

Mr.Torch · Unread post by **Mr.Torch** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:15 pm

Vezok wrote:
xCross wrote:
I've been wondering for a while, but can you sue the president and win?
Yes, although to do so successfully you have to have this thing called a "legitimate reason."

Like not being a U.S. citizen? He has never shown proof of his birthplace.

Vezok · Unread post by **Vezok** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:21 pm

Mr.Torch wrote:
Vezok wrote:
xCross wrote:
I've been wondering for a while, but can you sue the president and win?
Yes, although to do so successfully you have to have this thing called a "legitimate reason."
Like not being a U.S. citizen? He has never shown proof of his birthplace to a fox news reporter.

Ftfy.

Mr.Torch · Unread post by **Mr.Torch** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:31 pm

Vezok wrote:
Mr.Torch wrote:
Vezok wrote:
xCross wrote:
I've been wondering for a while, but can you sue the president and win?
Yes, although to do so successfully you have to have this thing called a "legitimate reason."
Like not being a U.S. citizen? He has never shown proof of his birthplace to a fox news reporter.
Ftfy.

I don't watch fox. I know from the internet.

Jdrew · Unread post by **Jdrew** » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:54 pm

Sued for being from Africa? That is racism.

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